helps them get their message out with advertising that actually inserted themselves in presidential elections. i mean, this is all about the type in the subsidy, so they would do whatever they had to do. c-span: if you're jim johnson at your desk here in washington and you're looking out at the world, you mentioned the partnership offices. how big were those partnerships? and he said there were 55 at the time he wrote the book. how big an office with that of pinup feel? >> guest: a couple people, that they would often hire family members of congressional members. so you'd be sure to make sure you're helping your friends back in washington. another ingenious thing that he came up with was to create a foundation or to fund the fannie mae foundation with fannie mae stock, which was at that point in time going to commit because the company was so profitable. what he would do at the foundation money was he with academics to write articles that were very pro-housing, pro-homeownership, pro-fannie mae and freddie mac. and so, he ended up co-opting him as the entire academic community as well by payi